justice is done Barry back in business

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The recommendation of Barry being placed in Welsh League div 3 will be made after the ruling of excluding BTU was deemed unlawful by the court
A great day for Welsh football.

[dannyg]

That's fantastic news, vogdog. Welsh League needs BTU. Wonder what will happen now especially if Caerau do pull out of the Welsh League? Seems daft to run with 15 in div 2 and 17 in div 3. But knowing the Welsh League committee they will probably save Cardiff Corries rather than promote Ponty Town.

[mattbryant473]

Decision is a joke ,
We have to play another season in the senior league and another play off to stand any chance
One rule for one and not the other ,
Amazed how you have the money to pay for a sports barrister. To take your case on ..
And of course you don't pay players

[sullysports]

I can understand Matt Bryans frustration. Good luck to Players and supporters of BARRY TOWN UNITED. I would liked to have had the opportunity to State our case for a chance to get into the Welsh League Div 3. Guess this is just the start of clubs /players challenging the Welsh Pyramid/or any other rules laid down in black and white. The Twitter Barry Town United reps call it a victory .You will be dropped two divisions! And as for dropping into the Parks football that is the Senior /Amateur League as described by the media it sickens me that we have every year spent thousands on keeping in line with the crieria . I can name at least a dozen Amateur/Senior League teams that have better facilities than lots of Welsh League clubs. Dont knock Parks football either as that is where most players start. As was said in earlier post If it had been one of the lesser known clubs no councillors /politicians/ media would have given a toss what happened to them . As it looks likely Barry Town United will start in Div 3 and could be back in Div One in two years! So get on with it so that we can all settle down to run our clubs as another ex Welsh League champion Club hits the dust as Barry Town United celebrate (Pentwyn Dynamoe folded today) !!!

[barryjustice]

SullySpirts - I don't understand your hostility to the verdict. Read the judge's transcript - he found the FAW original decision unlawful. That means if the FAW council had acted lawfully in the 1st place Barry would still be in Div 1 and this court case would have been avoided. As for the costs involved - you are repeatedly incorrect to state we pay players as we do not. We gained the support of europe's top sports barrister for free as he believed in our case for justice. The FAW will foot our legal bill not us. If we'd haver at it would have bankrupted us & we'd disappear as you'd have wished. Nothing against Sulky FC as I visit your games regularly & wish the club well

[mishman]

IMHO,I think Barry TU should have remained in div 1,but then that would mean doing something sensible.b

[mishman]

By the way,very sorry to hear about pentwyns demise as my boy played for them at mini level.

[sullysports]

Call us what you like Sulky Sports,Silly Sports you have said it all before, think you are so exited that you have got the post wrong. Never mentioned money or paying players etc an opology would be nice. And Silly Sulky talk is just as pathetic as it was when it was used on your website before it got shut down to hackers! What I do object to is the over the top criticism of the FAW.....

[nicnacnoo]

Many Congratulations Barry Town, I can understand why some teams would have their frustrations but these are the same teams stating on here previous that what you were doing was against FAW rule and now you've been found right they complaining its not fair ! Sorry but its taken one team with the balls to stand up to bully boys to start the change its now upto the rest of us to continue to force the change for the better of welsh football. Regarding the use of social media - I think you'll find most protests now find this one of the most effective forms of communication and if anything had been said that was incorrect then that would have been libellous but yet I've not seen FAW feel the need or right to take the matter up legally .....anyway well done and Sully please keep fighting I'm positive with people like yourself behind the club you'll be up there very soon.

[rocky]

As a Barry Town supporter who was in court this week, I am saddened by some people's reactions on here.

However, we always said this wasn't just about us, its about safeguarding the future of Welsh clubs at ALL levels under FAW membership - it could have been your club this was happening to.

Would those in Senior/Am league still be having a go at us if the judge had ruled we be placed back in Div.1, not affecting them at all? Probably not. This was not our fault, we were just making a stand for what is right. The FAW went against their objective of promoting welsh football by voting against our reinstatement and that was the view of a judge, not just Barry Town fans.

Personally I believe the pyramid system needs restructuring, particularly in South Wales, but I hear the Senior & Amateur leagues will be merging. I totally agree that there are some parks sides out there with better facilities than some league clubs, and I don't think that's the way it should be really. I wish clubs at all levels best of luck for the coming season and hopefully those who feel they should be Welsh League clubs will make it!

[barryjustice]

I am happy to offer my apologies to sullysports. My original post was typed on my iPhone so the sulky was genuinely mistyped - fat fingers on a small keypad. I also acknowledge that the paying players and money jibes did not come from yourself but from a previous poster. As I said I visit Sully Sports games occasionally and have nothing but respect for the club. I still do not understand the hostility towards the decision - we fought the original FAW decison because we felt it was so fundamentally wrong. I would like to think Sully Sports would fight in the same way as us if you ever faced an injustice. I don't believe we are claiming dropping 2 divisions as a victory. The FAW Domestic Committee considered our case in June and recommended to the FAW Council to accept us into Div 3. We were happy to abide with this recommendation and publicly stated so. We would have prefered staying in Div 1 where we feel our rightful place is (was) but in the grand scheme of things we'd rid the club of Mr Lovering and gained control of our own destiny again and if dropping 2 divisions is what this takes then so be it. It was the Council that ignored the FAQ recommendation and banished us from the welsh league. The Council called an EGM to consider new evidence but simply turned up on a freebie and voted not to listen to the evidence. This is when we took legal action as we felt injustice at the FAW Council decision. The FAW could have heard the new evidence, voted against it and there was nothing we could have challenged. We'd not have reason to take the matter the courts so its an FAW Council own goal that caused this sad state of affairs. We have gone on record as stating we respect the paid DAW officials, the domestic committee and welsh league itself. They followed the constitution and gave recommendations to the Council as guided by the rule book. The judge's decision today implicated the Council as they were the body that acted unlawfully. Maybe, perversly, this decision strengthens Jonathan Ford's power to push through governance reforms as the FAW finally havr authority to call the Council to task. I'm sure Jonathan Ford and his team realise that this now changes the balance of power on the FAW Council more in their favour. On the subject of 'parks football' it was never an intention to sound disrepectful and knock parks footy, ots just that we wanted to avoid it all costs as it meant we'd lost our case and didn't feel we deserved to be there. I agree that there are far better facilities in the senior league with better facilities than welsh league sides. And many are far more ambitious to progress than many welsh league clubs, and are also far better run. Over the top criticism of the FAW? Valid criticism of the FAW has come from all corners of the welsh game since the BTFC case gained momentum. Many clubs publicly ackmowledged our injustice. There have been resignations over the farce. Maybe all this high profile stuff and nonense will be a catalist for change on some way.... Sad that Pentwyn Dynamoe folded today. BTU are just delighted to beat the FAW in court. Is this a victory for all clubs againgst the unlawful givening body - you may be in our position one day and may require similar support. I do not know the financial details of fighting the case but I do know that the top sports barrister in europe is not cheap and will require payment for his professional services, but suspect top legal professionals know they will recoup the costs from the losing party and the FAW has plenty of cash !! BTU lose and we are bankrupt - which is why it was probably welsh league or bust. But I sus[ect Mr Crystal was confident of success prior to court. Rant over - best wishes to Sully in the season. If you ever venture to Jenner Park please make yourself known to teh lads under the gantry - you will be welcomed.

[newsonthestreet]

How wrong to other clubs in Div 3,
Planning and time spent preseason,
Now we have another club who will
take up a promotion spot with the
Squad they have no doubt
Pathetic.
Its a disgrace to let the
league get in this position so close
to kick off.
The goalposts have been moved which isn't
Fair to clubs looking for promotion.
F**king joke

[barryjustice]

BTU have no right to promotion - I suspect we'll have a tough time on the pitch as we'll be seen as the team everyone e;se wants to beat....

My response to newsonthestreet and other disenting voices is maybe your club officials should have backed our fight to go back into Division 1. Then you may not have been scared to play us twice and have us in your league. It's a compliment that you feel we'll go up and stop a team that finies below us going up instead. If you beat us the BTU fand will appauld your team off the pitch with the same good nature as we appaild our guys offthe pitch when we win. BTU fans hope they are welcomed to Div 3 clubs thus season as we certainly have no fight with yourseves. If youwant to get promoted then make sure you win enough games to go up. You'll receive a warm welcome to Jenner park his season and every season

[independentfan]

As a neutral observer I have to say I agree with Matty Bryant, newsonthestreet and Sully Sports.....the decision is a bit of a joke really.

I don’t pertain to understand all the facts about the case but the salient facts are these; Barry Town withdrew from the league and failed to complete their season, for any other team such as Caerau and Pentwyn Dynamoes recently, resignation from the pyramid would mean starting from scratch at the bottom – why should it be any different for Barry Town?? Why should Barry Town be allowed back into the Welsh League and block teams like Sully Sports, who grow organically at a sensible pace and have never lived above their means (unlike Barry who needed Lovering to bail them out - bet his name was sung from the stands when he cleared the £125k CVA in 2003!!).

Yes the judge ruled that the original decision was unlawful but this seems to based more on the technicality that although Lovering was the registered owner and secretary it was proved that he had no involvement in the running of the football club. Great work by the lawyers to argue this but a decent defence lawyer could get a serious crime thrown out of court on a technicality.....doesn’t make it the right thing to do though!!

As I side issue I wonder what supporters and members of Cwmbran Town are thinking now? Following the financial troubles there, they are now kicking around in the Gwent Leagues – when they were fighting against relegation from Div 3 I bet they wished they had resigned from the league with a handful of games left, only to argue in court that summer that the chairman was acting in a renegade fashion, and that as founder members of the Welsh Premier league and the inaugural winners, their history and status demands they be re-instated to Division 3, thus avoiding relegation.

As for Barry Justice suggesting teams should have supported the request to go into Div 1...well thats just absurd. I know Barry were at no risk of relegation but the principles are the same. Any team at risk of going down could just resign before season ends – argue in court that chairman acted alone (I bet if needs must then it’s pretty easy to try and show your chairman had no involvement though lack of emails, paper trails, bank records) and therefore request re-instatement to the same Division.

Right or wrong, agree or disagree – the decision has been made...I just fear a dangerous precedent has been set.

Football clubs can now behave in a maverick manner and if the shit ever hits the fan all they need to do is get some fancy lawyer to prove there was no link between chairman and football side and bobs your uncle – no repercussions for the bad decisions that have been made in the last decade that got you in this mess in the first place.

[garethmorgan7]

Well I can only speak for our squad but we look forward to facing Barry twice this season. Those stating that Barry are promoted before a ball is kicked can't think much if their own squad is all I can say. How having Barry in our Division could be seen as anything other than bringing the best out of anyone who wants to topple them is beyond me!

These guys have been through hell but kept most of the players & youth lads despite them not knowing if there would be a team.

Their ordeal should end here & now! Lets play some football & see who comes out on top - as I say, we look forward to the games at Jenner Pk & Spytty Pk!