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Post by nicnacnoo on Aug 10, 2013 7:18:27 GMT 1
Very well said GarethMorgan7
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Post by rocky on Aug 10, 2013 8:45:42 GMT 1
As a neutral observer I have to say I agree with Matty Bryant, newsonthestreet and Sully Sports.....the decision is a bit of a joke really. Football clubs can now behave in a maverick manner and if the shit ever hits the fan all they need to do is get some fancy lawyer to prove there was no link between chairman and football side and bobs your uncle – no repercussions for the bad decisions that have been made in the last decade that got you in this mess in the first place. A more dangerous precedent would have been to rule that Mr Lovering had every right to just close the club down against the will of everyone else involved at the club - imagine that was your club, or the Glazers at Man Utd?! If that had happened, in theory, I could buy your club and shut it down when I felt like it. I could have bought Prestatyn and withdrawn them from European competition - it would pave the way for the likes of Lovering to destroy the game. One of the judge's reasonings yesterday was that punishing Barry Town in such a way went against the FAW objective of promoting domestic football in Wales. We were withdrawn from the league yes, but against our will. It wasn't our fault, we did nothing wrong and just wanted our place back in the league, a place which we'd earned through results on the pitch, the same way all other league places are earned. We look forward to what will be a competitive season in Div.3 I'm sure, and we are in NO WAY being so arrogant as to suggest promotion straight off. GarethMorgan7 - Indeed, and we look forward to some tough battles on the pitch, heartfelt thanks from all at Barry Town United  |
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Post by independentfan on Aug 10, 2013 11:20:28 GMT 1
Good point rocky...
I guess all I can say in response is that if you were interested in "buying my club" then a due diligence process would try to fathom if you were fit and proper.
One could argue if barry did this then they could avoided this tough time and i imagine at the time it was done properly but even if there were reservationshad no option but do get in bed withMr Lovering so to speak otherwise face extinction.
What this episode definitely shows is that the ownership model and deemed power of clubs that the FAW recognise is all wrong. Maybe they should their rules so that instead of one owner or chairman holding the perceived power, that anyone wishing to resign would need to do so by a 51% majority vote by the clubs committee - would mitigate against this happening again.
Good luck to you tho and all the best for the season. I think the Barry v Rhoose derby is one to pencil in...don't think that's as easy to call as some might think.
Where will barry offer their post match hospitality now? I assume Lovering still owns the bar and you won't be going back there?
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Post by Counting Crows on Aug 10, 2013 12:10:43 GMT 1
As a Cwmbrân Town supporter and an avid Welsh pyramid fan I can honestly say that I'm happy Barry have won their case.
The WL should not have accepted Lovering's notice of withdrawal in the first place. He had no right. He wasn't running the club.
BT should be in D1 but I bet most of their fans would take D3 and no Lovering in a heart beat.
I hope no club ever has to endure the spite and mismanagement of an owner like that.
We, the Crows, are in the Gwent League due to seasons of poor playing squads. We are fighting our way back though!
Barry deserve to be in the WL because the people running the club have done their job properly, and have done nothing wrong.
It seems some people on here and other forums only see black and white. The Barry/Lovering situation was anything but.
Let's now hope FAW reform can be initiated. Pensioners with club affiliations running a pyramid is ridiculous.
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Post by garethmorgan7 on Aug 10, 2013 13:13:16 GMT 1
Club should shut up, accept fate and stop acting like a disobedient child
AS A long-serving member of the FAW, I am incensed with the pathetic and petulant attitude of Barry Town Football Club in recent times.
This club obviously feels that it is above the laws of the FAW and is behaving like a completely disobedient child. The recent decisions of the FAW should be accepted by the club and they should get on with what they are supposed to do instead of mouthing off.
It is not the FAW’s fault that they got themselves into this mess – that is entirely the club’s fault and, like Llanelli, they should have sorted themselves out years ago. They chose not to, and so they got into trouble – THEIR fault NOT ours.
The FAW prides itself on having well-run and functional clubs in its leagues, and shall continue to do so. What we do not need is aggressive little nobodies speaking out in the media and on Twitter/Facebook etc because they feel that they have a point. They do not have any point – their words are vacuous and a total and complete waste of precious oxygen!
My strongly worded advice to both Barry Town and Llanelli AFC is to shut up, be quiet and accept your fate. Do as you are told, and go into the leagues which you have been advised to go into, and there is hope that one day you can both become Premier League sides again.
Point-scoring with the FAW is not to be encouraged – you really do not want to risk becoming further isolated and losing whatever sympathy that has been shown to you.
I will go on record as saying that the FAW very strongly feels that it has been more than fair with both sides. I really cannot recall a situation like this when a club would dare challenge its masters so disgracefully, and the stance of Barry Town is wholly undemocratic, extremely rude and arrogant, and shows an amazing lack of regard for football in Wales.
Be mindful as to whom controls football in Wales – it is not two down-at-heel clubs who should really know better!
Mr P Rees, FAW Life Vice-President, Treharris, Mid Glamorgan
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Post by ivorbigun on Aug 10, 2013 13:17:48 GMT 1
Well said Counting Crows, and thank you, I wish you well in your season.
What about HULL CITY, I read they have changed their name, to HULL TIGERS will they be asked to drop out of the league.
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Post by rocky on Aug 10, 2013 15:05:54 GMT 1
Good point rocky... I guess all I can say in response is that if you were interested in "buying my club" then a due diligence process would try to fathom if you were fit and proper. One could argue if barry did this then they could avoided this tough time and i imagine at the time it was done properly but even if there were reservations had no option but do get in bed with Mr Lovering so to speak otherwise face extinction. What this episode definitely shows is that the ownership model and deemed power of clubs that the FAW recognise is all wrong. Maybe they should their rules so that instead of one owner or chairman holding the perceived power, that anyone wishing to resign would need to do so by a 51% majority vote by the clubs committee - would mitigate against this happening again. Good luck to you tho and all the best for the season. I think the Barry v Rhoose derby is one to pencil in...don't think that's as easy to call as some might think. Where will barry offer their post match hospitality now? I assume Lovering still owns the bar and you won't be going back there? I agree with you on this one - this has shown that there does need to be changes in the FAW procedures and structure to prevent such a situation arising again - which is one reason we took it as far as we did - if it leads to safeguards being put into place to protect clubs and the future of domestic football in Wales. The Barry Town Supporters Committee will endeavor to provide as much hospitality as possible in the 2013-14 season, sadly without the use of OUR clubhouse while its still Lovering's name on the lease. I hear the vale council are on his tail though, so how much longer he will be there is unclear. Until he's gone though, I implore any fans visiting Jenner Park next season to AVOID using the clubhouse if they consider themselves true supporters of Welsh football. As for the letter above from a certain member of Treharris... well... Personally I think its disgraceful and shows a complete lack of ambition for Welsh Football and sums up everything that is wrong with the present regime. Given the state of the domestic and national game in Wales, I cannot fathom why someone who is supposed to be a promoter and protector of the game would NOT want more competitive leagues, better standards of facilities, bigger crowds, and safeguards in place to prevent idiots like Lovering taking over?! It baffles and angers me. On a positive note - Thank You Counting Crows - Barry v Cwmbran Town produced some classics through the turn of the century, and fingers crossed you guys will be back someday to rekindle those days! Hull City, Pen Y Bont - same clubs, new names, no requirements to change leagues. In the case of the Bridgend/Bryntirion merger, it can be argued they are a new club and should have started at the bottom - but I hold nothing against them at all - good luck to them! Its more the FAW double standards that annoy me. |
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Post by rocky on Aug 10, 2013 15:17:56 GMT 1
Garethmorgan, your very arguments is flawed by the fact that the FAW are the ones that broke the rules THEIR OWN RULES! That is why a court of law made this decision that they were "unlawful" and not even one of the best sports barriers could defend them successfuly! Now swallow those sour grapes and take some of your own advice. Before you speak get your facts right! So how about you "shut up" until you have something accurate or clever to say! Sorry Firewind2013 - this was a letter from someone else printed in todays Echo - GarethMorgan was merely quoting it and has made some very positive points elsewhere in this thread. Link to the letter is here www.walesonline.co.uk/news/local-news/south-wales-echo-letters-saturday-5692293 |
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Post by bob123 on Aug 10, 2013 15:28:36 GMT 1
Echo have withdrawn Mr Rees' comments. He didn't send the letter in.
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Post by rocky on Aug 10, 2013 15:52:00 GMT 1
If its true that it was a fake this is good news.
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Post by rocky on Aug 10, 2013 16:33:01 GMT 1
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Post by garethmorgan7 on Aug 10, 2013 16:49:35 GMT 1
So tell me firewind2013 - how stupid are you feeling right now? It was a letter sent to the Echo. Talking of facts, you should know I do know all about your case & have been an avid supporter of your cause from day 1!
To help you out, sorry is spelt "S-O-R-R-Y"
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Post by Deleted on Aug 10, 2013 18:25:19 GMT 1
It's amazing but somewhat indicative of the way the FAW manage the game that they have failed to suspend Peter Rees until a full investigation has taken place. By taking this action (which would be a given in employment law) it would in no way reflect badly on Peter Rees merely allow the FAW to carry out a process impartially. If there is found to be no case against Mr Rees then the FAW could simply lift his suspension.
In the meantime football clubs are being run by a board that includes a man with these allegations hanging over him. How can there be any trust until we are confident there's no foundation to the allegation.
That's not fair on Mr Rees or football in Wales.
I note also that Mr Rees is also on the welsh league management team so again I would expect them to suspend him until a robust investigation is carried out and the results made public
On another note, can you imagine this episode happening to someone from the English FA ?
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Post by Deleted on Aug 10, 2013 18:30:06 GMT 1
If also like to mention that as a Barry fan I am in no way holding a hatchet to Mr Rees, merely pointing out the normal process in situations that include gross misconduct.
I'm sincerely hoping that the letter is a spoof and that Mr Rees would not share any thought of the idiotic author (if indeed it wasn't penned by Mr Rees)
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Post by austinpowers on Aug 10, 2013 20:01:55 GMT 1
To support garethmorgan7 comment, didn't Barry Town lose to Treharris last year in the cup? Proves that div 3 is going to be difficult for BTUFC.
Good luck to all teams and hope next years promotion and relegation spots are decided on the pitch.
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