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Post by timjohnson on Jun 20, 2013 8:29:08 GMT 1
I don't think they are asking to be put into Division 3 at the expense of another club. I understand what you are saying re phoenix clubs however surely the vacancies in England should have first been given to clubs already in the system and not for the new one.
Kickers Offenbach have been liquidated in Germany and gone from the third to fourth tier.
The FAW does not appear to allow membership to teams in South and West Wales lower than the Welsh League therefore this is classed as recreational football. 99 percent of teams have no interest or have facilities for promotion at this level.
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Post by Mogs on Jul 2, 2013 14:06:29 GMT 1
Counting crows, you mention natural vacancies. Aren't there natural vacancies in the Welsh League ?
What has happened to the vacancies caused by Barry Town pulling out, Afan Lido or Llanelli not taking a Welsh League place on relegation and Bridgend / Bryntirion's merger ?
What clubs have taken these places ?
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Post by Deleted on Jul 2, 2013 16:48:47 GMT 1
No one takes the places. Just means less get relegated
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Post by fairplay on Jul 2, 2013 20:24:48 GMT 1
Which equals stagnation.
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Post by georgie on Jul 2, 2013 20:36:53 GMT 1
Which equals Mickey mouse domestic football. Absolute shambles. The feeder leagues need a serious reform.
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Post by sullysports on Jul 2, 2013 21:16:39 GMT 1
My club Sully Sports have abided by the decision that we play off for promotion,Won the South wales Senior league three times with a 35 point lead over three seasons. There is no record anywhere sugesting that we have to play only the word usually plays offs are arranged. Tonite we were refused a request to enter our reserves in the Welsh reserve divisision so lets not say that teams from our level do not want to progress. We have passed every inspection for Welsh League promotion for the last 10 years. Fed up with the BARRY and LLANELLI situation, You broke the rules so you should pay the price as Barry Town United are a new club you should abide with the new club Club rules as recorded. As ealier mentioned I think that Newcastle Emlyn would not have the same support to be put back in the league. And I not speaking for my club but for myself agree with the Welsh League vote. I would also like to know who the clubs are that did not pass the criteria? Clubs that are silent on this forum me thinks.
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Post by bullshitbuster on Jul 3, 2013 16:35:46 GMT 1
You broke the rules so you should pay the price Remind me of the rules Barry broke. The pyramid system should be set up to allow Sully in as league winners, I agree. |
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Post by Counting Crows on Jul 3, 2013 16:51:28 GMT 1
Mogs - i was going to say pretty much what realfootballworld said.
There'll never be any natural vacancies in the Welsh League because teams will only be relegated if there are teams to replace them (via promotion from feeder leagues) and a full compliment can be maintained. That's why sometimes teams go up but none go down in order to maintain a 16-team division.
Natural vacancies tend to occur further down the pyramid when there aren't enough clubs to fill a bottom division, often because no team can/wants to go up, hence the divisions i mentioned earlier.
I personally believe Barry should be re-instated as it's an unprecedented situation. A club pays all its bills for two years via the BTSC yet a spitefull idiot with the ownership of a worthless Ltd name pulls them out when he arguably had no right.
I find it harder to form an opinion on Llanelli. I want to see them in senior football. Great fans. I watched a number of their Euro ties. But it seems unfair to relegate a club at the bottom of D3 who haven't been liquidated in order to make way for one that has...
Then you look at Sully. They've lost a play-off twice. If rules are going to be broken it is they who perhaps deserve a place in the WL.
You could look to blame the WWFA. Should they perhaps have one senior division below the WL rather than 4 parks leagues? That would probably have natural vacancies!
If they expand WLD3 to 18 teams, would it be fair to potentially relegate 5 clubs the season after in order to return to 16? It's a tough one.
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Post by sullysports on Jul 3, 2013 20:57:46 GMT 1
You broke the rules so you should pay the price Remind me of the rules Barry broke. The pyramid system should be set up to allow Sully in as league winners, I agree. Yes not Barry Town United breaking rules but Barry Town did. as a local I knew about Lovering and the situation and cany understand why your hardworking commitee carried on for two years.With your following why did you not make peace with Lovering or get a loan to pay him off then run the social club? you had loads of night games too with the floodlights so expensive.Just think that was a waste of cash. The mistake the new Barry Town United made was to change from Barry Town nameand form new club ,Why could you not have fought that League withdrawl by Lovering then I think all would have supported you to keep your place. Also the constant insults to the Welsh FA on twitter are out of order and not helping your cause. |
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Post by ivorbigun on Jul 3, 2013 21:26:50 GMT 1
Sullysports, you still have not said what, rules Barry broke, People have tried to buy the club, but he keeps changing his mind
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Post by sullysports on Jul 3, 2013 21:33:59 GMT 1
Did not complete season is abrocken rule surely.
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Post by bullshitbuster on Jul 4, 2013 9:27:45 GMT 1
With your following why did you not make peace with Lovering or get a loan to pay him off then run the social club? Keith, if you'd followed anything you'd be well aware that the Barry fans made MULTIPLE offers to him, including several which were agreed upon, only for Lovering to change his mind on things. You'd also know that another agreement had been made in the weeks before Lovering pulled the side, only for Lovering to change it again. You'd also know that in the week the team was pulled, numerous attempts were made by the fan's group to contact him, and were met with stony silence. You'd also know that the supporters were willing to pay stupid money (tens of thousands of pounds, plus a grand every year for over a decade!) to buy the thing. And yet Lovering would rather pull it. That's the kind of person you're dealing with. There is no common sense. There is no avenue for negotiation. If you'd followed things like you say you have, you'd know that. you had loads of night games too with the floodlights so expensive.Just think that was a waste of cash. Barry played three home games by my count. Each had a bigger crowd than usual, thus paying for the lights. The BTSC had no cash flow issues. I don't see your point. The mistake the new Barry Town United made was to change from Barry Town nameand form new club A new name hasn't hurt Penybont. Or Aberdare. As for the club, it's the same company that's run the team for two seasons. Why could you not have fought that League withdrawl by Lovering then I think all would have supported you to keep your place. The Barry fans were told explicitly that the Welsh League had to accept Lovering's withdrawal as he was the (self-appointed) club secretary and 'owner'. This option was never presented as an option. Also the constant insults to the Welsh FA on twitter are out of order and not helping your cause. And your post, in the name of a local football club who get on well with Barry, is fine? I don't see any problem with people who are outraged over a total injustice making their feelings known on a social network. It's no different to any other form of protest. I'm sure it would have suited many people if the Barry and Llanelli camps had rolled over and died. But these people respect the legacies of their respective clubs and, for me, should be commended for their efforts - not damned by people who could easily be in the same situation should their club be thrust into the hands of hostile, irresponsible man-children. |
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Post by bullshitbuster on Jul 4, 2013 9:48:43 GMT 1
Did not complete season is abrocken rule surely. No-one involved with the Barry team broke any rules. The players, manager and everyone else involved in putting on a Barry match was ready, willing and able to play those games. The Welsh League instructed the opponents, Ton Pentre, not to play - despite being well aware who was running Barry Town football. |
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Post by Mogs on Jul 4, 2013 12:55:02 GMT 1
Looking at the bigger picture, is it a surprise that we have such a poor record in World Football ?
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Post by bullshitbuster on Jul 4, 2013 13:04:10 GMT 1
No surprise at all. And it's surely only going to get worse if the representative teams of our highest-populated towns can be shunted out into the cold.
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