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Post by john1970 on Mar 31, 2018 15:51:33 GMT 1
I have been told that 24 out of the of the 41 teams within the South Wales Alliance League (inspected 2017) DO NOT MEET the current criteria, and have until April 30th to comply.
A majority of these failures are the clubs Dugouts (not having an internal length of minimum of 9 feet) resulting with loads of non complying clubs.
Old (September 2014)-"Covered Dug Outs must be provided for both teams, capable of accommodating 6 persons and must be of a suitable material to withstand all weathers"
New (June 2017)-"Covered Dug Outs must be provided for both teams, capable of seating 6 people with a minimum internal width of 9 feet, and must be of a suitable rigid material to withstand all weathers"
Clubs have been told that failure to comply will result with them "losing their current league status".
Is this fair in peoples opinions? Dugouts are normally constructed with blocks built on a slab of concrete and then a suitable vandal proof roof is fitted, steel or concrete. one that measures 8 foot would be very difficult and expensive to extend an extra 30 cm.
Out of curiosity are there any Welsh League grounds with dugouts under 9 foot long?
This world is getting crazier by the day.
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Post by john1970 on Apr 5, 2018 9:40:43 GMT 1
I have been told that 24 out of the of the 41 teams within the South Wales Alliance League (inspected 2017) DO NOT MEET the current criteria, and have until April 30th to comply. A majority of these failures are the clubs Dugouts (not having an internal length of minimum of 9 feet) resulting with loads of non complying clubs. Old (September 2014)-"Covered Dug Outs must be provided for both teams, capable of accommodating 6 persons and must be of a suitable material to withstand all weathers" New (June 2017)-"Covered Dug Outs must be provided for both teams, capable of seating 6 people with a minimum internal width of 9 feet, and must be of a suitable rigid material to withstand all weathers" Clubs have been told that failure to comply will result with them "losing their current league status". Is this fair in peoples opinions? Dugouts are normally constructed with blocks built on a slab of concrete and then a suitable vandal proof roof is fitted, steel or concrete. one that measures 8 foot would be very difficult and expensive to extend an extra 30 cm. Out of curiosity are there any Welsh League grounds with dugouts under 9 foot long? This world is getting crazier by the day. Ummmm, strange that no one has an opinion on this?? Is it that Welsh league clubs would also fail the criteria or is it that its a question about football and not an argument about something, a thing that this forum seems better at than anything else. |
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Post by soggy on Apr 5, 2018 10:16:41 GMT 1
I think it puts uneccesary pressure on clubs already suffering a lack of finances,there's no money available to lower league clubs apart from 1 or 2 grants that are hard to secure,it's hard for Welsh League clubs financially but at least they can get revenue through admission and refreshments but that's only a small cost towards the running of clubs,with all the recent weather and postponement I think the pitches are what everyone should be investing in,getting a good playing surface will surely be beneficial to all clubs rather than spending money to fit 6 people in a dugout?
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Post by john1970 on Apr 5, 2018 15:04:47 GMT 1
I think it puts uneccesary pressure on clubs already suffering a lack of finances,there's no money available to lower league clubs apart from 1 or 2 grants that are hard to secure,it's hard for Welsh League clubs financially but at least they can get revenue through admission and refreshments but that's only a small cost towards the running of clubs,with all the recent weather and postponement I think the pitches are what everyone should be investing in,getting a good playing surface will surely be beneficial to all clubs rather than spending money to fit 6 people in a dugout? Exactly, out of curiosity I looked up Welsh League Division 3 home fixtures that had been cancelled for three teams. Panteg 17 fixtures only 4 played. Caerau 22 fixtures only 8 played. Pontyclun 16 fixtures only 7 played. I know the weather has been awful but a bit more groundwork improvements could have maybe prevented some of these postponements. Well not to worry lets spend any spare money extending dugouts by 30 cm  |
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Post by soggy on Apr 5, 2018 17:36:25 GMT 1
I honestly think it should be pitch 1st,floodlights 2nd,then the club,by that I mean minis/juniors/youth,invest in the future,the grants are available for children's football although again hard work to secure but that's the foundations of a great club,rather than paying overrated average lads a few quid thinking they've made it in Welsh league,I think that clubs shouldn't be allowed to pay anyone,then they can invest back into the clubs,some of the budgets that have been mentioned throughout the Welsh league clubs are unbelievable,take Ely Rangers as an example and the facilities they have and what they've achieved for kids football,they're a fantastic advertisement of how to do it right,Yes they've paid in the past but learnt by that and have focussed on the kids,not doing well at the moment and might get relegated,it's very unfortunate but that's football but the foundations are there and hopefully they will stay up as it's a great set up,surely that's what it should be about rather than some journeyman taking money then the next season moving on,no loyalty in this league at all.
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Post by mellon on Apr 6, 2018 21:03:04 GMT 1
I happen to also think that we need to be developing the grounds, 3G is the way forward despite what people on here think. The stands and the number of seats is fast becoming some kind of joke. We are well supported and at best maybe 70 or so people on a good day. Why would that change of we were in any other League. We would have room for dogs, hamsters, mice, snakes or any other pets that people want to bring along as well. The FAW fail to accept this and I reckon they believe that we and others get several hundred people watching us. The average attendance in the Premier League I am told is in the region of 310 which in all honesty is pathetic - take out the top[ couple of top sides and the average slips will below 200.
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Post by smiffy on Apr 6, 2018 21:24:46 GMT 1
Sounds like Llanelly aren’t the only Club who’ve failed a criteria for a higher league hey?
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Post by smiffy on Apr 6, 2018 21:50:27 GMT 1
On another point - Clubs with help of hardly any funding can’t afford 250 Seats but can afford a 3G pitch?
Genius
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Post by unclefester on Apr 6, 2018 22:20:00 GMT 1
Turning a grass pitch into a 3G can cost as much as £500,000. Not many clubs around with that sort of cash.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 7, 2018 7:31:56 GMT 1
No shit Sherlock Turning a grass pitch into a 3G can cost as much as £500,000. Not many clubs around with that sort of cash. |
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Post by majormoments on Apr 7, 2018 11:37:13 GMT 1
How many clubs with 4g had to pay for it themselves?
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Post by scoutman on Apr 7, 2018 11:59:46 GMT 1
Exactly, with the exception of Penybont, who I believe did very nicely out of Tesco, all other 3/4G pitches in the Welsh League are owned by Local Authorities or Universities
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Post by john1970 on Apr 7, 2018 12:41:11 GMT 1
Exactly, with the exception of Penybont, who I believe did very nicely out of Tesco, all other 3/4G pitches in the Welsh League are owned by Local Authorities or Universities Bridgend Town done very well when Asda's built the Super Store in Town. The local council (BCBC) tried their upmost to keep the money for themselves (shocking but true!) It was only when Bryntirian and Bridgend Town merged on the "11th hour" the money was released for the development of what is now the ground and facilities of Penybont AFC. It was not a merger everyone was happy about, but if it had not gone forward Bridgend Town would have ended up with no ground, Bryntirian a quite run down ground and BCBC would have been over a million pound richer. I remember reading about it in the paper, if any details are wrong I apologise, maybe someone with more knowledge about the merger, money and the local Councils cunning plan to steal the money could correct me if I am wrong. I cant think of any other team in South Wales (Apart from CCFC, and SCFC) who own their own 3G pitches. The Pitch, barriers, dugouts, stand and retaining fence must all cost about 750 grand   |
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Post by togetherstronger on Apr 9, 2018 10:59:00 GMT 1
Just going back to the original post; i'm wondering whether it has anything to do with the fact in the SWAL, clubs can now make upto 5 substitutions a game? Assuming previously, many would only take the required 3 subs, maybe an additional one whereas now teams are carrying more players, hence the larger dugouts.
On this basis, i'm assuming the SWFA didn't advise clubs of this change, when they were asked to vote on the substitutes rule!
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Post by rct on Apr 9, 2018 12:39:00 GMT 1
I believe Cambrian and Clydach own their own 3g pitch.
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