smiffy
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Post by smiffy on Apr 9, 2018 13:33:34 GMT 1
Sadly not
Owned by a local trust - at one point they couldn’t even get a slot for the first team to train on it. Couldn’t believe it when I was told that afterca youth game 2 or 3 years ago.
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pauld
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Post by pauld on Apr 9, 2018 17:31:03 GMT 1
The 5 subs rule was passed 3/4 games in to the season. The facilities were inspected last season. I can confirm that tape measures were used!
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Post by john1970 on Apr 11, 2018 9:11:33 GMT 1
A good explanation, yes the member teams voted themselves at the beginning of the season for the use of an extra substitute therefore giving the powers to be an excuse to put a width on the dugouts. Unfortunately there is one problem with that theory: Old (September 2014)-"Covered Dug Outs must be provided for both teams, capable of accommodating 6 persons and must be of a suitable material to withstand all weathers" New (June 2017)-"Covered Dug Outs must be provided for both teams, capable of seating 6 people with a minimum internal width of 9 feet, and must be of a suitable rigid material to withstand all weathers" Both of the rules mention 6 people/persons, if that was a factor the new one would say 7 people. Like I said previously its a crazy world, with crazy decisions!!  |
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Post by ybarddllawryfog on Apr 11, 2018 15:46:05 GMT 1
Johnny 1-9-7-O
SW Alliance and SWFA know the route to go
Check the Laws and the Rules
And you'll soon know more than the other fools
5 subs can play if named on the list
And just is case you've missed
4 other can be in tech area land
But only 1 can stand
So hopefully I'm posting not too late
But the seating must accommodate 8!
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Post by john1970 on Apr 11, 2018 18:54:23 GMT 1
Johnny 1-9-7-O SW Alliance and SWFA know the route to go Check the Laws and the Rules And you'll soon know more than the other fools 5 subs can play if named on the list And just is case you've missed 4 other can be in tech area land But only 1 can stand So hopefully I'm posting not too late But the seating must accommodate 8! Is this an attempt of a rhyme? If so what possessed you to come up with one  So the SWAL and SWFA dugouts criteria has been wrong for years is that what your trying to say? "Check the Laws and the Rules And you'll soon know more than the other fools" -Who are the fools you refer to please? "So hopefully I'm posting not too late But the seating must accommodate 8" - Too late for what? The 2017 criteria is out and will not be changed, I suppose though teams who do not conform by April 30th could use what you have said as a defense, you are correct in what you say. Or they may just say they have to be 12 feet wide instead and all teams fail the criteria  ybarddllawryfog are you from South, Mid or North Wales? Cheers |
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Post by john1970 on Apr 11, 2018 19:31:53 GMT 1
Division 2 Tier 4 (equivalent of South Wales Welsh League 3 who require a stand and fenced off ground)
Spar Mid Wales League
Criteria For Clubs Applying For Entry Into The Spar League Division 2.
1. All Grounds Must Be Clearly Marked In Accordance With The Laws Of The Game
2. All Games Must Be Played To The Rules Of The Football Association Of Wales, And Each Club Shall Take Its Own Match Receipts
3. The Playing Area Shall Be Between 100-120 Yards In Length And Between 50-90 Yards In Width. Or The Metric Equivalent.
4. All Clubs Shall Provide Separate Covered Accommodation For Trainers,Managers And Substitutes In Close Proximity To The Playing Area. These Should Be At Least Two Yards Away From The Touchline.
5. The Playing Area Shall Be Fenced (Ropes Allowed) To A Good Standard On All Four Sides At Least 2 Yards From The Touch And Goal Lines.
6. There Must Be Good Changing Facilities For Each Team.
7. There Must Be Good Shower Facilities For Each Team
8. Match Officials Must Have Their Own Separate And Adequate Changing , Shower And Toilet Facilities.Compare that with The Criteria for SWAL Division 2 (Tier 7) its a Joke. How can the FAW be serious in allowing such differences?? Teams can share showers, no minimum distance from pitch, and my personal favorite you can use rope for spectator barrier. It must be a Joke surly  And if a South Wales Alliance Premier League Team Progressing up a level they have to have a fenced off ground and a stand for 100 people for playing the same level of football than these jokers using rope for a barrier and a bit of scaffolding for a dugout South Wales Welsh League Division 3 Criteria (Tier 4)
2.1 ENCLOSURE OF GROUNDS
Grounds must be fully and securely enclosed by permanent boundaries of a solid structure with a
minimum height of 4'6'' and capable of preventing unauthorised access, with the exception of a main
entrance point to allow the taking of admission prices to spectators.
For enclosed grounds, the location and number of ground exits must comply with local safety
requirements. It would normally be expected that there
would be at least two exit points around the
ground. All exits must be clearly signposted.
2.2 PLAYING AREA
The minimum length of pitch is 90 metres (100 yards) and the maximum length is 120 metres (130 yards) and the minimum width is 45 metres (50 yards) and maximum width is 90 metres (100 yards). The playing surface will be grass which must be of a high standard or an artificial pitch that meets the FIFA approved criteria. Goal posts and goal
net supports must be of professional manufacture and meet the requirements of the Laws of the Game. They must be identical.
All clubs must have the playing area of their ground enclosed by a solid barrier during the playing season. (Rope or wire is not acceptable).
In certain circumstances (where cricket is played in the summer months) where it is not possible to erect a permanent barrier, it may be allowable to have one side of the ground enclosed by close mesh security type fencing fixed into the ground.
The shortest distance between the touch line and pitch perimeter barriers should not be less than 1.83 metres.
No other match will be allowed to take place whilst a League or Cup match is in progress where the Management Committee considers that the proximity of the second pitch will have a detrimental effect on the fixture.
2.3 DUGOUTS
Clubs must provide two covered dugouts adjacent to the playing area, located near the halfway line. They must be capable of accommodating
a minimum of 6 seated persons, and the floor must have a solid foundation of concrete, tarmac or paved slabs. (No other material is acceptable).
A technical area, (as defined in "Laws of the Game") must be marked out in front of each dug out.
2.4 COVERED STAND
All clubs must have a permanent covered stand, made from solid materials, erected close to the playing area and on or near the half way line. It must be capable of accommodating a minimum of 100 spectators. The floor of the stand must have a solid foundation of concrete, tarmac, paved
slabs or steel. (No other material is acceptable).
2.5 DRESSING ROOMS & CHANGING FACILITIES
Players and officials' dressing rooms must be heated, well ventilated, free from damp, secure and must be situated within the boundaries of the ground and within reasonable distance to the playing area.
Players Changing
Separate dressing rooms must be provided for each team, capable of accommodating a minimum of 16 people. Each team dressing room must have a separate shower area with a minimum of four shower heads.
There shall be a minimum of 1 W/C and 1 urinal, with hot and cold running water for the use of the teams within the vicinity of each dressing room complex.
Match Officials Dressing Room
A separate room must be provided for the exclusive use of the match officials. The area must be capable of accommodating a minimum of 3 persons, and must contain a shower, WC and a wash basin with hot and cold running water. This room must not be used for storage or similar purposes. Clubs appear to be under much less restraints in Mid Wales than South Wales, I dont apologise for mentioning this as it's the truth, it is in black and white quoted above. Can anyone explain how this can happen? Teams being forced to widen their dugouts in the South at level 7 while in Mid Wales they using ropes for barriers and washing each others backs in the showers at level 4?
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Post by uptonparkgoodbye on Apr 11, 2018 19:39:21 GMT 1
Blimey, this is getting a bit "deep" ain't it? Only ones who could get their heads around all these rules + regs are surely legal eagles. Only time will tell what happens to the length of dugouts.....come to think about it how often do you see subs in dugouts anyway?
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Post by uptonparkgoodbye on Apr 11, 2018 19:39:41 GMT 1
Blimey, this is getting a bit "deep" ain't it? Only ones who could get their heads around all these rules + regs are surely legal eagles. Only time will tell what happens to the length of dugouts.....come to think about it how often do you see subs in dugouts anyway?
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Post by john1970 on Apr 11, 2018 21:32:27 GMT 1
Blimey, this is getting a bit "deep" ain't it? Only ones who could get their heads around all these rules + regs are surely legal eagles. Only time will tell what happens to the length of dugouts.....come to think about it how often do you see subs in dugouts anyway? Sorry for getting deep, inequality and differences in criteria just grips my sh*t. Ropes for barriers in Mid Wales, expensive dugout adjustments for almost a whole league in the South. |
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And if a South Wales Alliance Premier League Team Progressing up a level they have to have a fenced off ground and a stand for 100 people for playing the same level of football than these jokers using rope for a barrier and a bit of scaffolding for a dugout 