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[dragonfire]

This issue is no longer just the future of Barry Town united it has now gone way beyond that , it is about the transparency and integrity of a few individuals and their attitude and governance for the future of welsh football on the world stage, does anyone. really think this farce gone unnoticed in Europe and the Micky mouse conduct of those in charge not laughed at. It does appear though that it is not only certain councillors that put self interest above the national one but some fans as well. While I really sympathise with any club affected by this ridiculous nonsense that has brought shame to our nation it is solely down to s few self serving people hiding behind an archaic rule completely out of line with the rest of Europe, no wonder we have had no success in nearly sixty years coincidence I THINK NOT.

Think about this ,one man made himself secretary with the sole purpose of destroying a footballing community which the welsh league councillors readily accepted , they then contacted the two remaining fixture clubs to cancel their games knowing full well that a fan run community based team that had operated very successfully for two whole years would deliver this vindictive mans vengeance of withdrawal, Barry were perfectly prepared to play these games, so once again I ask what rule has been broken, if anything it is The FAW councilors eagerness to accept this in their own self interest that has brought this issue to a head.

[ivorbigun]

Well said dragonfire. I can not understand why some people can't get this in their heads, it's not the clubs fault, it's Lovering and the FAW councilors

[sullysports]

To further your reasons for changing the club name to Barry Town United . Was it not possible to fight for the club name. Did Lovering own the club name? it seems that the whole reason for FAW to refuse your entry is because you would be a new club, which if granted would be a yardstick for every other new club starting and they to could select a league to go in. I really think that you have gone over the top in the stick you have given the faw . Especially your clubs twitter comments by what looks like the same person who seems to have lots of time on his hands. I am sure the sympathy would have been 100% for your plight had you used Loverings behavior as not fit to be a club official. The key is in the name change and this will have a big say in the final decision.I have to admire all your support and I hope you get your wish but cant help feeling that there was an easier way than this. Although my user name is Sully Sports my club is neutral and this is just my opinion as a long time Sully Supporter.

[dragonfire]

Yes Lovering owned Barry Town AFC but handed all matters football to the BTSC two years ago stating publicly in the press he no longer wanted any part of it they could run it as they wished ,own bank account,for financial stability, was set up all obligations and responsibilities were met ,and very importantly its own identity at companies house was established , as far as the name change goes this archaic rule does not say teams can be kicked out of football altogether to benefit self serving individuals as is currently proving to be the case with some of them ,this farce is now being recognised by the president and his officers at the FAW. these so called untouchables have to be brought to account, but with their obvious club connections other than being proved somewhat unlawful ,it will be very difficult to remove them and other than a wholesale rebellion in welsh football forcing their hand. I'm very much afraid the sores that now blight our game will be here for a very long time unless clubs and fans realise the long term damage to the nations football.
now being done.

[dragonfire]

Sully sports,in continuance,, we are not a new club, we have exactly the same players,management,, committee fans, ground, sponsors etc that we had last season and the one before, we think that on merit alone we should at least be admitted to division three and not banished into obscurity by governance showing not fit for purpose to all and sundry. As for our attitude towards the FAW it is not the honourable officers we direct our ire to but the currupt councilors within the organisation as stated by former members..If this was your club would you keep quet , I think not somehow.

[bullshitbuster]

Jul 24, 2013 20:32:33 GMT 1 sullysports said:

I am sure the sympathy would have been 100% for your plight had you used Loverings behavior as not fit to be a club official.

This was brought up for years and years - on Twitter, in the press and elsewhere - and people turned a blind eye to it.

Keith - how can it be a "name change" if you think it's a "new club" anyway? That's an oxymoron.

[bullshitbuster]

Jul 24, 2013 20:32:33 GMT 1 sullysports said:

The key is in the name change

Nonsense. They didn't chuck Aberaman out when they changed to Aberdare.

[dragonfire]

So what's the difference, Aberaman became Aberdare with no fuss or protests from anyone I wonder why oh" silly me what am I thinking of lol.

[thebeacon]

It's a bit disingenuous to say its just a name change. Barry Town United are clearly a different legal entity from Barry Town AFC - a private company owned by Lovering fomrmerly trafding as a football club now as a operaing as a pub.

Are they 'new' ? Well they've been running the football operation of the BTAFC for two years as a separate legal entity with the consent of the BTAFC who were the legal members of the FAW and WL and with the tacit acceptance of the FAW and WL. You could argue (and I'm sure BTU are) that a contract between BTSC (as was) and the FAW and WL was implied as FAW and WL took the fees from that organisation not BTAFC. Although they did send BTAFC the prize money for FAW cup. Still with me?

So....it's not straighforward hence the shenanigans. I don't think the FAW are corrupt. Shortsighted maybe, a little bit dim, certainly.

I can't help feeling the abuse they've had hasn't helped Barry's cause and appeals to history and tradition are irrelevant. Barry's more recent history is of a club in long term decline and ironically the past two years is the most stable and exciting they've had in a long time. Fan run and owned, great facilties, superb support, great prospects.

It's been counter productive to rely on the (not exactly spotless) past and on abusing fellow football people. The real villain is Lovering. We could all still be heroes.

[bullshitbuster]

Jul 25, 2013 14:41:01 GMT 1 thebeacon said:

IBarry Town AFC - a private company owned by Lovering

'Barry Town AFC Ltd.' is the company owned by Lovering, not 'Barry Town AFC'.

Let's not forget that in July, 15 FAW Councillors voted to put their heads in the sand. That doesn't say "football people" at all, to me.

The ones that voted to at least listen? I can respect them. But certainly not the ones that came to a meeting to vote not to have a meeting.

[thebeacon]

'Barry Town AFC Ltd.' is the company owned by Lovering, not 'Barry Town AFC'.

Fine. But doesn't alter the substance.

Let's not forget that in July, 15 FAW Councillors voted to put their heads in the sand. That doesn't say "football people" at all, to me.

The ones that voted to at least listen? I can respect them. But certainly not the ones that came to a meeting to vote not to have a meeting.

Well, whether you like it or not they've been elected (at some stage) and involved in Welsh football for a long time mainly as volunteers. The level of abuse leading up to July drowned out any coherenet argeuemtn based on facts rather than emotion and didn't exactly appeal to their hearts or minds. Nor for that matter even to their propensity to 'follow rules'.

To them it may have been as black and white as it is clearly is to you. In fact as my original response argues -it's a bit more grey than that. I hope it works out.

[bullshitbuster]

There's a difference between "abuse" and asking people to consider a number of points, which is what was done at length. In July, the majority of the FAW Council voted not to consider ANY points! Any.

As former volunteers, you'd think they'd at least listen - and not cast the work of numerous volunteers of Barry aside, without as much as a look.

This article said as much - www.markpitman1.com/2013/06/15/day-football-suits-forgot-football-roots/ - note that this was published even before the July "meeting" farce.

Horrible people have tried to blame the good folk of Barry for all sorts. You seem more reasonable that that. And they are far more reasonable than portrayed on here. But their club has been completely shat on, left and right.

You can understand the anger, surely? If not, imagine it was your club. If you're not affiliated with a club, ask how can individuals dismiss thousands of people? Barry's petition was disregarded. Is the closing of eyes to all this a positive thing for Welsh football? No. It's not a positive thing in any field. These people have a responsibility to football in Wales. It shouldn't be about picking and choosing personal favourites to play with and get rid of respectively.

[barryislandypo]

Jul 25, 2013 15:49:03 GMT 1 thebeacon said:

The level of abuse leading up to July drowned out any coherenet argeuemtn based on facts rather than emotion and didn't exactly appeal to their hearts or minds. Nor for that matter even to their propensity to 'follow rules'.

So, it's the fans' fault? Again? Right.

I dislike Barry fans being tarred with this phrase 'abusive'. 'Abuse' is such a strong word and should itself be used with restraint. National teams that have been blighted with racially abusive fans have been sanctioned by not allowing a game to be played in front of a crowd. Your suggesting Barry Town fans calling the FAW councillors out of touch repeatedly in football forums warrants the club being effectively killed off? This from a crowd of fans that has 'We don't swear!' as one of its songs.

Your argument, at least, is a moderate one and I'm not blind to the fact that a media/social media campaign of awareness has very much gotten up the noses of some individuals with influence. Yet, without that same media/social media campaign the club would not have been given a column inch of space, would not have attracted outside support, and I'm almost certain wouldn't have kept the club alive until now.

This isn't an argument about promotion or relegation - as important as that is. It's not an argument about being docked points. This is an argument centered around the very survival of a football club. And for that club there are a lot of people willing to do what they can, because once it's gone, it's gone.