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Post by wl3 on Apr 17, 2019 7:15:33 GMT 1
Does anybody have any idea how the structure of the Welsh League is going to look next season.
How many teams in Division 1 and how are these going to be accounted for. And do we know which clubs have met the criteria to be in it?
At present I’m totally clueless......
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Post by unclefester on Apr 17, 2019 7:41:40 GMT 1
Nope, no-one knows. The structure is agreed, and the FAW will know which clubs have the required criteria, but until promotion/relegation is sorted across all affected leagues they can’t really sort it. Safe to say it will be a mess. Expect to hear something at the start of June I would say.
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Post by wl3 on Apr 17, 2019 8:17:01 GMT 1
So it’s a 16 team league but the make up yet unknown from South and Mid. So teams currently outside the relegation zone need to try and finish as high as they can as they may still be relegated?
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Post by unclefester on Apr 17, 2019 9:35:16 GMT 1
I guess so yes. If 1 or 2 Mid Wales teams make the new Tier 2 South/Mid, then potentially 4/5 clubs could drop out of D1, pushing more teams down the pyramid. A lot will come down to how the FAW determine “Sporting Achievement” which, as far as I know, they haven’t defined, so they can decide what that means once they know what clubs they want in Tier 2.
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Post by stranger on Apr 17, 2019 10:38:49 GMT 1
So its possible ton pentre or taffs well could avoid relegation and even end up in the new division due to sporting achievements
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Post by forsettalens on Apr 17, 2019 10:55:22 GMT 1
I guess so yes. If 1 or 2 Mid Wales teams make the new Tier 2 South/Mid, then potentially 4/5 clubs could drop out of D1, pushing more teams down the pyramid. A lot will come down to how the FAW determine “Sporting Achievement” which, as far as I know, they haven’t defined, so they can decide what that means once they know what clubs they want in Tier 2. It won’t be as wholesale as that. Only three teams are likely to go down from Division One to Division Two. Depending on who obtains the Tier 2 Licence to play in the FAW Championship South. Swansea Uni 1st (Should get the Licence) Caldicot Town (Finished their season, unlikely to get promotion.) Abergavenny (Could be promoted and have made ground requirements. Teams like Caerau Ely and STM Sports I expect to go up, will be working on obtaining the Tier Two licence. In regards to Mid Wales. The last time Llanidloes (The current league leaders of the division) were promoted, they played in the Cymru Alliance. (Which would become the FAW Championship North next season.) Even second placed Caersws played in the Cymru Alliance last season and so have third placed Llanfair. The closest Mid Wales team to the South is probably Llandrindod Wells. Even then they’re ninth in their division, so don’t have a chance of promotion. Very unlikely that much will change. Most clubs got the Tier 2 Licence last season. Just because 52 teams applied for the licence, doesn’t mean all of them will be accommodated. The only teams in Division One last year not to get the licence were Caerau Ely and Monmouth Town. Both sides have made the necessary changes now to go up. Last year’s exercise helped prepare them for this season. |
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Post by forsettalens on Apr 17, 2019 11:00:59 GMT 1
So its possible ton pentre or taffs well could avoid relegation and even end up in the new division due to sporting achievements Taffs Well and Ton Pentre could achieve the Tier Two licence and gain a reprieve if the clubs who apply for promotion don’t obtain the licence. Ton Pentre had a reprieve last year due to Caerau Ely and Monmouth Town not getting the Tier Two licence. However you’d expect someone like Swans Uni to obtain the licence. If we’re working on the basis that Swansea Uni, Caerau Ely and STM Sports go up, then as long as they all have the licence which I expect Caerau Ely after their improvements will alongside the Uni facilities of Swansea Uni, then we at least have two teams up. STM were going to go up last season using Taffs Well’s ground, whether they have remained with that or are looking to improve their own ground, then we should have three up, three down. |
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Post by unclefester on Apr 17, 2019 11:38:56 GMT 1
It doesn’t matter where Mid-Wales clubs played last time, the FAW will accept 33 clubs into Tier 2 (pincluding the 1 extra in North Wales as they are fudging it again), some of those may be Mid-Wales clubs. The North/South border will then be drawn mid-way (geographically) between The 33 clubs. If any of those Mid-Wales clubs are South of the “border” they will play in the South. That can affect all 3 WL divisions.
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Post by forsettalens on Apr 17, 2019 11:48:11 GMT 1
It doesn’t matter where Mid-Wales clubs played last time, the FAW will accept 33 clubs into Tier 2 (pincluding the 1 extra in North Wales as they are fudging it again), some of those may be Mid-Wales clubs. The North/South border will then be drawn mid-way (geographically) between The 33 clubs. If any of those Mid-Wales clubs are South of the “border” they will play in the South. That can affect all 3 WL divisions. Some of those MAY be Mid Wales clubs but as mentioned. The two closest Mid Wales teams who have applied for the Tier Two Licence are Berriew and Llandrindod Wells. You wouldn't move a Mid Wales team who'd previously played in the Cymru Alliance down to the South. Five teams have applied for the Tier Two licence from Mid Wales. The Champions who are currently Llanidloes would be likely to be promoted to the Cymru Alliance. The FAW Championship South (Welsh Football League Division One) is still likely to be South Walian dominated and worked upon previous years. A bundle of Mid Wales teams aren't just going to be promoted because it's the 'South and Mid Wales League.' Berriew (Mid Wales League) - Played in CA in 2009/2010 Caersws (Mid Wales League) - Played in CA in 2017/2018 Llandrindod Wells (Mid Wales League) - Played in CA 2014/2015 Llanfair United (Mid Wales League) - Played in CA in 2016/2017 Llanidloes Town (Mid Wales League) - Played in CA - Played in CA 2014/2015 There really aren't many wholesale changes to this. The most important thing is for Division One clubs to get their Tier Two Licence (14/16 did last season.) and for Division Two clubs to get their Tier Two Licence. |
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Post by unclefester on Apr 17, 2019 12:21:24 GMT 1
I can only go on what the FAW told people in the consultation meetings. If, for example, 16 North Wales clubs are accepted and 2 Mid-Wales clubs are accepted and 14 South Wales clubs were accepted, guess where those Mid-Wales clubs will have to play. Not saying this WILL happen, but it’s a scenario that could happen.
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Post by Counting Crows on Apr 23, 2019 13:49:09 GMT 1
See attached pyramid diagrams for next season and 20/21. Attachments:
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Post by rose on Apr 30, 2019 10:37:00 GMT 1
Tier 2 is the tier too
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Post by Captain sensible on Apr 30, 2019 18:56:53 GMT 1
I said it would end up in tiers.
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