division 3

[breconboy29]

Fair enough Independancefan,, I tottally agree abouut clubs overstretching themselves financially and having to pay the price for doing so, but any league in Europe would have as many have done only dropped the offending clubs two divisions not try to destroy clubs inthe interest of those making these decisions, there were many empty seats at tonights gsme, I wonder why.

[rocky]

It does seem very strange to have a 19 team league when it appears Sully deserve to be there too - why not give them the promotion they've earned and have an even 20 team league? Is there an issue with Sully facilities preventing this? Or is it another mind boggling FAW decision? Although if Bettws did finish bottom, they should be relegated, but in placing Barry Town & Llanelli in Div.3, I can see why they have let Bettws off the hook.

I hope the Sully decision can be changed, sounds like they deserve to be WL3.

[richthekeeper]

i'm curious about the Sully case. it seems to me that they won the Senior League which gave them the right to play off against the winners of the Amateur League (Rhoose) for a place in the Welsh League Division 3. the playoff match was won by Rhoose, so they achieve promotion. someone please correct me if i'm wrong.

if the above is correct, why are Sully complaining? the rules of the competition are quite clear and have been as they are for a number of years.

i totally sympathise with clubs who are affected by the FAW's constant moving of the goalposts but that doesn't seem to be the case here. it cannot be said that Sully "deserve" to be in Welsh League Division 3 as they haven't achieved promotion.

again, correct me if i am wrong.

[Deleted]

I agree with richthekeeper - they lost the play off, simple! It may not be morally fair (which I agree) but it is the rules.

Top and bottom they should have relegated Bettws and this wouldn't be a talking point.

May as well promote the runners up from the Gwent County as Sully (govillion I believe) - are they appealing too?

[independentfan]

Rich the keeper - I think those at Sully would have no complaints that they werent promoted as a result of losing the playoffs IF.....Bettws, who finished bottom and should be relegated and Llanelli, who were liquidated and should start in parks football, werent awarded a place in the league.

In your opinion do Bettws and Llanelli deserve to be there??

As I said joke league of very average quality run by joke people...and until the league is not run like a closed shop it will continue to be of poor quality. Once your in the league it seems no matter how badly you are run or how poor you are its piss easy to stay in it...

[footballscout]

You are right Rich, but . . . . The rules also state that the side that finished bottom gets relegated, and that you need to finish your season so i guess rules dont matter!!

[independentfan]

Amen football scout...

[sullysports]

Sully were Winners of the Senior League by a massive lead two years running. We can find NO "RULE" that says Amateur and Senior League Champions must play only mentioned in the Welsh Football Magazine which tries to explain the Pyramid System . I would be very gratefull if you can tell me the rule which says their must be a play off .As I have explained How did Bettws and Dinas Powys get promotion to Div 3 in the same year. As for Govillion we are talking about winners not runners up.

[footballscout]

Look lets be fair the whole system is actually a joke!!

Should there be a play-off - No
Should Bettws be relegated - Yes

Could go on about these things all day, Barry Stood up for what they beilived in and won, congrats to you, but if everyone does that we will never have a season. The system isnt perfect but its currently what we have and if we keep pushing it it once day may pop, a wholesale change is needed agreed but whats the right way to get that done?

But also Sully lets face some facts how many times have you had to get promoted now and havent this isnt the leagues fault thats your players, i have alot of time for sully and i dont want to get in an argument about it, but thats the harsh fact of that one!

[rocky]

To my knowledge the Senior & Am. leagues are merging in the near future, so there will be no play off. I think this is def the way forwards for the domestic system - Good luck to Sully in the coming season, and if they don't get promotion this time around, surely once the leagues merge they will be well up there!

[dannyg]

Imagine if West Wales ever have each of their four league champions request promotion. Sort that one out!!!!

[Deleted]

sullysports, it's one affiliation so you could have an arm wrestle to decide who goes up for all I care but it's one team from one affiliation.

As Dannyg has alluded to above, Carmarthen would have a worse conundrum should 4 teams be eligible and actually want to get promoted.

three teams have gone up from three affliations so that's the only part in the whole system which has actually worked as it's supposed to! It's the rest that's a shambles!

[sullysports]

Still does not answer "where are the "Rules" that say in black and white that there must be a play off and your situation where West Wales has 4 teams ready for promotion.Did not happen again this year when the Neath and District league runners up in a 12 team league got promotion to the Welsh League How lucky is that? And yes good luck to them.

[Deleted]

everybody has valid points in their argument but in the case of Sully I feel a huge amount of sympathy.
(a) They have won their title several times and proved their undoubted football quality.(isn't that what the game is?)
(b) They have invested and upgraded their ground to the set criteria (putting a lot of existing clubs to shame)
(c) They have seen previous losers of the play-off be promoted regardless.
(d) Finally, let's get real and understand that the decision to have a play off is a joke. After a long hard season playing over 30 league games both teams are dragged together at a time of the year when people are on holidays or suspended etc and made to slug it out. To think that a bad day at the office from a ref or lino, a player having to live with a missed penalty could be the reason for a team not gaining deserved promotion. Rubbish.
If the FAW won't allow both teams entry then at least work on a formula based on win % or something like that.

[independentfan]

Latest communciation is that for season 2015/16 (maybe brought in sooner) the South Wales Alliance will be formed, with Division 1 of this being promoted to WL3.

I'd envisage Div 1 of this to be very strong, so one would hope that there would be more than 1 promotion spot on offer for such a big catchment area.