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Post by Counting Crows on Jul 3, 2013 17:52:12 GMT 1
with respect, the precedence has been set here, Merthyr Tydfil were reformed at the end of a season and they were relegated 2 leagues from where they had been playing and that was sanctioned by the FAW. Even though they are playing in the English leagues they are still affiliated to the FAW. Rangers in Scotland the same and they were relegated 3 divisions and not back to grass roots football. Not sure i can agree with this. Merthyr were relegated one division (for being in a relegation place) and then when the old Merthyr was liquidated the new Merthyr were "placed" in Western League Division 1 because that was the highest league with a natural vacancy. I.e. no other clubs were negatively affected by Merthyr being slotted in. With Rangers, due to there being no pyramid below the top four divisions (that's changing by the way, so Scottish clubs going pop will be in bigger trouble in the future) Rangers were "placed" in the highest league with a natural vacancy: D3. As there is no pyramid system in place no clubs were negatively affected by them being slotted in. I would therefore argue that neither situation can be used as a precident. I can't see how the FAW can make a decision that will not be declared crazy by a section of the Welsh footballing public. There is a case for both Barry and Llanelli to be in the WL next season (the youth side of things being quiet important). But there is a chance that other clubs will be negatively affected by them being there. I.e. larger-than-normal relegation zone in D3....  And i have no idea which way the FAW will go... |
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Post by Deleted on Jul 3, 2013 17:53:02 GMT 1
It would be completely unfair of me to name names until a decision is made. Until this situation had occurred I did not care for Barry/Llanelli. However two wrongs don't make a right. Yes it probably is a personal vendetta, but one that is backed up by injustices in football. My club were unfairly booted out of the welshleague 3 seasons ago and now because Barry and Llanelli have a proud history(not the only ones i might add) just expect to be put in the league at the expense of other clubs and the injustice that took place a few seasons back. Remember this. The FAW have not wound or folded both clubs or destroyed them like both parties are saying. They are two new clubs with new committees trying to bend the rules for their own benefit. At best hopefully Barry will be placed at amateur league level and Llanelli in the Carmarthen league. History has no place in sentiment.
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Post by bullshitbuster on Jul 3, 2013 18:23:05 GMT 1
It would be completely unfair of me to name names until a decision is made. More of the same shadowy stuff that went on before Betws-y-Coed then? Until this situation had occurred I did not care for Barry/Llanelli. However two wrongs don't make a right. No, but wrongs can, and should, be righted. Yes it probably is a personal vendetta... I respect your honesty. ...but one that is backed up by injustices in football. As a lifetime follower of Welsh football, I've never known an injustice bigger than what's been done to Barry. My club were unfairly booted out of the welshleague 3 seasons ago You have my honest sympathies. I am unfamiliar with the exact scenario - as, truth be told, most on this board are with Barry and Llanelli's. ...now because Barry and Llanelli have a proud history(not the only ones i might add) just expect to be put in the league at the expense of other clubs Common sense says no clubs need to lose their Welsh League status. Two spots have come up in Division One - Barry's and the one created by the new Penybont club. Remember this. The FAW have not wound or folded both clubs or destroyed them like both parties are saying. Llanelli at Stebo in "recreational football" has been said to be untenable. I imagine its the same at Barry. These grounds don't pay for themselves. They are two new clubs with new committees trying to bend the rules for their own benefit. Wrong. For starters, Barry's committee is exactly the same which ran the team the past two seasons. |
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Post by bullshitbuster on Jul 3, 2013 18:33:43 GMT 1
I would therefore argue that neither situation can be used as a precident. What about the precedent of Barry being put slap bang right into Welsh League Division 1 in 1993? |
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Post by Mogs on Jul 4, 2013 6:48:55 GMT 1
The AFC Llanelli Committee if you can call them that, are the same people who fought hard to save the club since December, keeping it going in all adversity to fulfil its fixtures and keep the integrity of the Welsh Premier League intact. They are the same people supporting the former players daily with their compensation claims, despite the circus that is going on around them.
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Post by bullshitbuster on Jul 4, 2013 9:10:25 GMT 1
You make valid points no doubt. However i can't help but feel sick to my stomach about our downfall by the FAW three seasons ago I have genuine massive sympathy for you. As you said though... two wrongs don't make a right. Barry's case and Llanelli's case need to be evaluated fairly, taking every factor into account, including previous precedents and elements that are unprecedented. It is quite clear that this didn't happen at the original meeting. What's more, those standing to gain from Llanelli and Barry's demise shouldn't have any say in it whatsoever - it's almost the definition of a conflict of interest. |
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