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[Deleted]

I was a supporter of Troedyrhiw. Don't get me wrong, this is not an attack on either of these clubs but we were relegated a few seasons back when the FAW directed the Welshleague go to 16 clubs and all welshleague clubs bar a few voted to kick us out, and we really did do nothing wrong. But now the FAW look to be going back on their decision and are looking to run with 18/19 teams next season. Where's the principal in that. I can see these clubs concerned are worried as not to fall out of existence like we did. However i can only feel for the likes of Bettws( if left back in too ) Treharris, N. emlyn grange quins and Tredegar who have struggled over the last few seasons. Is it fair to ask them to run with 18/19 with 5/6 to be relegated knowing that they will probably be involved in that battle. Obviously they would have to joint appeal that decision to safe guard their own Welshleague existence.

[Mogs]

I understand where you are coming from. Its not easy for anyone. If Llanelli went to the local league you have problems there as well. But the club has to play somewhere, its not totally a new club, its reformed, the academy was untouched by the liquidation as it was set up as a separate entity.

We just want football to continue in the area and local league will be the end of the ground and the club in all honesty. We are only asking to come in at the bottom of where we started. The club has never played in the Carmarthenshire League at first team level.

This time last year the club was in a healthy state and in credit on paper. One man has caused a club which was formed in 1896 to be fighting for its future. All we are asking is for the FAW to use a precedent that all the other member countries of UEFA use. No club that is liquidated starts at the very bottom in Europe.

[luke]

Jul 1, 2013 19:28:59 GMT 1 @realfootballworld said:

Also wouldn't surprise me that if they were both let back in and the league runs with 19 and goes with 6 relegated at the end of the season that every club in Div 3 would probably appeal the decision. Completely and utterly wrong. Can anyone from Barry or Llanelli argue with that just to let them back in a further three clubs would be victim of your badly run clubs. Is that good for welsh football i ask you. Get out of your bubbles and see the real world!!!!!!!

I don't know what happened with Troedyrhiw and I feel for you if you were treated unjustly, but it isn't the Barry Supporters' fault. Barry hasn't been "badly run", more like "badly owned". We have about 50 actual fans to bring to games. we have a respected manager and the owner who caused the problems and the league withdrawal is finally gone.

It is a good experience for other division 3 teams to play against us and have a bit of atmosphere. It's good for the league. The Supporters Committee has a functioning football club ready to go, with youth teams, community involvement, fundraising etc. We can bring fans to away games and help create a proper non-league feel to matches. Barry won't get to decide how many teams are in the league, or who gets relegated etc.

I really don't see why anyone who supports Welsh football would want Barry, and to an extent Llanelli, not to be allowed into division 3.

You use derogatory terms to call groups of fans "mobs". I understand you've gone through an unfair relegation but we should respect each other. Had a quick look at the history and Troedyrhiw actually played Barry Town twice in your 1950s FA Cup runs. Why don't you want both our histories to continue?

[Deleted]

It's not I don't want these clubs to continue but be offered a place at the next level there is a gap, which i was led to believe should have been the amateur/senior league as there was a vacancy there after Perthcelyn resigned from the league. That should have been the true outcome to all this. With regards to your supporters you are very correct and i had the privilege of seeing them in action down at Treharris last season inthe league cup. Inall honesty they were a credit to the club however, i only use the word mob as it seems they have adapted a mob mentality towards the FAW and complete disrespect to lower level clubs by de-meaning local football. We have all had to start somewhere. And if you're asking would clubs love to play against Barry and Llanelli or stay in the Welshleague I'm afraid 100 out 100 times you will see clubs would rather retain welshleague status, just as yourselves do

[mattbryant473]

In reply to mogs Llanelli were wound up in the high court correct.
You are a new club Afc llanelli therefore you need to go through the correct
Avenues and that is back to your feeder league and that is the carmathanshire league
I believe.
You are trying every way to explain your reasons for welsh league status but I
And the majority of div 3 clubs don't want you in there league .
Why on earth should there be 5 or 6 relegated at the end of the season
While you and Barry Utd sit at the top and don't give a toss about the clubs at the bottom.
You will both have strong squads and will both be up there pushing for promotion
And will automatically go straight back up.
I have it on good authority from quite a few clubs in div3 that they will appeal
Straight away and even go as far as boycott there respective fixtures against you .
As for Barry Utd mr Lovering owned the club , correct , therefore he owned barry town Afc
And withdrew them from the welsh league .
Barry Utd or whatever you call yourself are a new club therefore you are required to
Go through the feeder leagues like everyone else.
I wonder if all the big wigs and local mp would give a damn if it was Newcastle emlyn
Or Tredegar in the same boat, the answer is no .

[skippy33]

with respect, the precedence has been set here, Merthyr Tydfil were reformed at the end of a season and they were relegated 2 leagues from where they had been playing and that was sanctioned by the FAW. Even though they are playing in the English leagues they are still affiliated to the FAW. Rangers in Scotland the same and they were relegated 3 divisions and not back to grass roots football. I'm sure if Newcastle Emlyn or Tredegar were in the same boat the AMs would rally support as they have done in Barry and Llanelli's cases the local AM's have asked for support from these areas and I know for a fact that Nia Griffiths, AM in Llanelli, has had a lot of support from AMs that have Welsh Division 3 clubs in their constituencies. Trouble with a few Welsh League clubs is that you have no ambition, several of your clubs fail the ground criteria every year yet are allowed to stay in the league and then several of the clubs in the 1st division will never want to get promoted to the WPL and they should make way for clubs that do - not just Llanelli and Barry. The teams in the north have far more ambition than a lot of the welsh league clubs and nearly every year their league champions are up for promotion unlike the south. hopefully common sense will prevail on the 9th

[Mogs]

Matt,

It's not as simple as saying we are a new club. Legally the academy is still going it hasnt been wound up, where would you put them next season ? The Carmarthenshire League ?

Why do 6 teams have to be relegated next season? Sorry I don't follow the Welsh League that closely, but aren't 3 teams normally relegated ?

[georgie]

Jul 2, 2013 9:54:10 GMT 1 mattbryant473 said:

In reply to mogs Llanelli were wound up in the high court correct.
You are a new club Afc llanelli therefore you need to go through the correct
Avenues and that is back to your feeder league and that is the carmathanshire league
I believe.
You are trying every way to explain your reasons for welsh league status but I
And the majority of div 3 clubs don't want you in there league .
Why on earth should there be 5 or 6 relegated at the end of the season
While you and Barry Utd sit at the top and don't give a toss about the clubs at the bottom.
You will both have strong squads and will both be up there pushing for promotion
And will automatically go straight back up.
I have it on good authority from quite a few clubs in div3 that they will appeal
Straight away and even go as far as boycott there respective fixtures against you .
As for Barry Utd mr Lovering owned the club , correct , therefore he owned barry town Afc
And withdrew them from the welsh league .
Barry Utd or whatever you call yourself are a new club therefore you are required to
Go through the feeder leagues like everyone else.
I wonder if all the big wigs and local mp would give a damn if it was Newcastle emlyn
Or Tredegar in the same boat, the answer is no .

We'll be up there pushing for promotion?? Well that's the idea! Our aim is to get back to where we belong, back in the WPL and playing in Europe. You see, our club harbours a burning ambition to succeed. Which is more than I can say for the majority of teams that play in the Welsh League.

If the FAW make us start in the Carmarthenshire league then so be it, we'll win the lot the hard and longer way. When we get back to the WPL we can stick 2 fingers up at all the FAW committee members and people like you that want to see us in the shit.

[Deleted]

The way u Llanelli lot are talking about the welsh league it's a wonder u want to enter our competition - y don't you start back in the welsh prem...... O wait :-)

As real world said, 7 (or 8) teams got relegated a couple of seasons ago so the league could have a 16-16-16 structure. If you both come in it goes to 18 and 5 get relegated the following season. I think the point he's trying to make is why should a team finishing in 13th get relegated to their equilivant of the dreaded Carmarthen league when you stay in the league/go up??? Ambition or not, they have strived to get there ON MERIT. Perhaps the size of their club/player pool/finances hampers their progression.

It also seems like, if your keeping half your players you haven't learnt from your lesions, as they won't b staying in div 3 for cheap!

Personally I don't really care if u coming in the league or not as it wont affect my team just get off your effing high horses!!

[Mogs]

We are not on our high horses buddy. We are not slagging the league off either. I am just saying that there are a lot of clubs in the league who have no intention of trying to gain promotion to the Welsh Premier, for whatever reason. Only Haverfordwest applied this season.
Compare that to the Cymru Alliance in the north , there is always 4 or 5 teams applying.
The players who played after the split in January ALL played for nothing and were told of the situation at the club before they signed. And boy , what a credit to the club they were. Not all them are staying for next season. And trust me, a very small budget if any for next season. Its pride they will be playing for, and the honour of playing on Stebo ! Ha Ha ;D

[jdog]

Llanelli should not have a sympathy vote. Welsh League clubs work hard to keep afloat, with some teams even accepting relegation as they cannot afford to keep paying players to stay in that given league.

As for Llanelli, having 3 dedicated volunteers to run the club is never going to work, our club has 12 people also working endlessly trying to balance the books and get through the season. This also involves those individuals chipping in here and then when needed. But could we survive without these contributions, yes we could. As for Llanelli, you could not.

Having a sugar daddy who has no ties with Llanelli previously plough money into a Welsh Premier club is always going to end in tears, especially after they have already achieved all they can success wise (League and Cup honours). Being honest, who is going to want to put endless amounts of cash into a club when you will have very little in return at our level? Unless you are a local of the club, then it is pointless and it will obviously never last.

Our club has a 'contingency fund' which means money or not we could last in the Welsh League. Although we have X amount of cash at our disposal we do not use it all, as this could easily go and that would be the end of us. We spend what we have to in order to survive. It doesn't take a genius with a calculator to work out spending £93k on wages at Llanelli would've ended in tears. You lived the high life and paid the price rightly so. No club at this standard of football should be paying that much apart from one exception of TNS who have regular success in League, Cup and Europe with financial rewards.

I personally have no sympathy for Llanelli. For it's life-serving members I do. But they should have realised this success was coming at a price and should've stepped in and saved the club long before what has happened. Good luck in the Carmarthenshire League I say.

[Deleted]

Mogs, reading back you probably haven't been too disrespectful but have a look at a couple of your butties comments (in both threads relating to this).

You've said your club has been going for over 100 years - perhaps us younger clubs (mines under 30 years old) may catch you up in 70 years time - We can have that conversation then :-)

Top and bottom your club's gone tits up and you want a reprieve to get in the Welsh League - i don't blame you, i would do the same in your situation but you can't blame others for not supporting you.

Your not going to make much difference to any club really. Yes it will be nice for the players to play at your ground (and Barry's) but financially the clubs will probably have an extra 20-30 people at the home game (£100 pound with refreshments).

[Deleted]

NIGE!! Fantastic points made and the exact way numerous clubs feel. It may be Barry/Llanelli want to play at the top of the pyramid, but for many clubs without the resources the Welshleague is the pinnacle. It is only the supporters I feel for not the clubs. If these people are true supporters they will be there whatever league they play in. There is increasing movement amongst a number of clubs in readiness of the FAW decision. I've heard a number of clubs are going to withdraw their membership of the FAW and welshleague if these clubs are reinstated after intense bullying of the FAW.

[skippy33]

Unrealfootballworld the way you are talking Sully better get ready to join the welsh league!

[bullshitbuster]

Jul 3, 2013 15:32:48 GMT 1 @realfootballworld said:

I've heard a number of clubs are going to withdraw their membership of the FAW and welshleague if these clubs are reinstated after intense bullying of the FAW.

Come on then "RealFootballWorld", let's name names, If you're in the right, you should have no fear! Or maybe you're just making it all up to enhance your personal vendetta against these clubs. After all, all of your posts are about them! As for "bullying", where were you when Barry were getting bullied by their chairman for years? Didn't hear a peep from you then. Maybe because a handicapped, broken Barry was good for you and your personal interests! If you care so much for the supporters, why didn't you speak up then? EXACTLY.