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Post by unclefester on Feb 13, 2018 9:15:49 GMT 1
Obviously we have to be very careful what is said on here or anywhere else on social media as before you know it you will be dragged up on a charge of "bringing the game into disrepute" which covers a multitude of sins. All I would say is that little clubs like us will always struggle financially to compete with the bigger long established clubs no matter how hard we try. This year we have gone from just the 1st Team (adults) to having a team in the Youth Division and also an Under 11's. Next year we will have the 1st Team, Reserve Team, Youth Team and also Under 12's. The costs involved are huge and now add to that all that is required to meet the new criteria and it becomes quite frightening. I have just had one quote for the extra seating requirements for 2019/2020 at around £10,000. Yes there are grants available but it will still cost a lot of money. One of the crazy parts of all of this is that a side in Div 3 (no names will be mentioned on here) could finish mid table and yet find themselves propelled into the current Div 1 as many other sides don't or won't have the correct facilities in time. That side does not want that to happen but could well be forced to abide by the new rules, but could not compete as they don't have the squad to compete. Make your own judgements !!!!!! I can’t see that happening for unless a Div 3 club has applied for a Tier 2 licence. |
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Post by nicky on Feb 13, 2018 11:11:54 GMT 1
Lot of Gog attacks in this thread, and as the Goggiest person here nowadays (anyone here more Northerly than Aberystwyth?) I feel I have to butt in. Yes, North Wales has gotten more of the grants - but how many Southern teams actually applied for grants out of interest? Have the FAW released anything about who applied and were turned down? It's all well and good moaning about how only 3 teams got grants, but what if only like.. 4 or 5 teams applied? Is this just like the end of season licence applying scenario where 9 teams from the North apply to go up to the WPL and a mere 2 from the South apply? Or is it a genuine bias thing? Ga da fi wybod ya conts  |
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Post by smiffy on Feb 13, 2018 12:20:17 GMT 1
Sadly it’s commonly known that year after year multiple Clubs apply and get turned down. Porth say on here often how every year they apply and every year a new reason is provided for why they won’t get it this year.
The issue that comes longvterm here is if it is seen as a futile expertise as you have no chance then clubs WILL stop applying.
That is a worry
It’s amazing to me that nobody in the process doesn’t say “hang in, this is a bit unbalanced”
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Post by nicky on Feb 13, 2018 12:50:23 GMT 1
Porth I have a lot of sympathy for, not helped by the fact I essentially grew up on Dinas Park myself.
Does the FAW have the transparency to show which applications were turned down? As I kind of said, the number of applications both succesful and un-successful will give a better view as to what is really happening out there.
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Post by major league on Feb 13, 2018 16:52:27 GMT 1
Maybe the clubs should do no improvements and spend all their money on journeymen to try and get up the pyramid.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 13, 2018 20:03:22 GMT 1
I suppose the other way to get your mits on FAW improvement grant money is to get on the FAW. It must be like the complete opposite of turkeys voting for Christmas. Cushty. An why have Ely Rangers had a a russell for Station Road ? Ely Rangers don’t like playing football at their ground. It should be renamed Stationary Road because nothing ever happens there. As for the here and now I’m slightly disappointed to discover that the prawns aren’t fresh. The Dogometer reckons it’s going to be a 2-1 game to the Bluebirds.
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Post by mellon on Feb 13, 2018 21:51:59 GMT 1
Just to be clear in no way was I having a go at Newport City - that was exactly what was said and the FAW confirmed that in certain circumstances that it could happen that you could be propelled into Div 1 or the "Championship" as it will now be called.
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Post by smiffy on Feb 13, 2018 22:10:45 GMT 1
Are Division 3 teams applying for tier 2 licences?
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Post by unclefester on Feb 14, 2018 9:15:40 GMT 1
Are Division 3 teams applying for tier 2 licences? I can’t only think of 1 Div 3 club who could get near a Tier 2 licence and that’s Newport City, who have not applied. |
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Post by huwjones on Feb 14, 2018 19:14:31 GMT 1
Sadly it’s commonly known that year after year multiple Clubs apply and get turned down. Porth say on here often how every year they apply and every year a new reason is provided for why they won’t get it this year. The issue that comes longvterm here is if it is seen as a futile expertise as you have no chance then clubs WILL stop applying. That is a worry It’s amazing to me that nobody in the process doesn’t say “hang in, this is a bit unbalanced” update * applied again, as we do every year for most we would need for Tier 2 license, upgrade from 100 to 250 seats, a toilet block, with disabled toilet/Access etc.. turned down reason.. The Criteria we are applying for is not required in Tier 3 we currently play in. we are trying to improve our facilities but wont get a grant for tier 2 unless we in tier 2 hmmm then accused of having no ambition ... |
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Post by fairplay on Feb 14, 2018 22:14:50 GMT 1
I just don't understand why Division 2 club Porth can be turned down for a grant when 3rd Division clubs Ely Rangers and Trefelin can be accepted as well as Caldicot in Div 2.Can somebody explain ? Any clubs who show they want to improve their facilities should be encouraged to do so. I think it would be a way forward if the FAW would offer support to clubs by having meetings every year to discuss what funds are available. I wouldn't be surprised if some clubs don't know the system.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 14, 2018 22:30:05 GMT 1
Have Caldiclit Town been granted funds for a dimly lit toilet block ?
If that’s true then the Faw could be in hot water with the Gwent Vice Squad. Funding a toilet block in Gwent would be Aiding and abetting Dogging in a public space or even conspiracy to facilitate Dogging under section 69 of an ancient Gwent & Monmouthshire bylaw.
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Post by huwjones on Feb 15, 2018 20:03:57 GMT 1
I just don't understand why Division 2 club Porth can be turned down for a grant when 3rd Division clubs Ely Rangers and Trefelin can be accepted as well as Caldicot in Div 2.Can somebody explain ? Any clubs who show they want to improve their facilities should be encouraged to do so. I think it would be a way forward if the FAW would offer support to clubs by having meetings every year to discuss what funds are available. I wouldn't be surprised if some clubs don't know the system. Fairplay Caldicot were succesfull as they applied last season when in Div 1 (Tier2). hence the reason we went for it last season, try and get up to obtain a grant, went slightly tits up. LOL. |
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Post by Counting Crows on Feb 16, 2018 10:45:56 GMT 1
A couple of inaccuracies to clear up: 1. The FAW don't dole out grants. The WFT do: welshfootballtrust.org.uk/WelshGroundsImprovements.ink2. Only clubs interested in playing at tier 2 of the domestic league need to worry about the Tier 2 licence. 3. The money from the Euros has been divided into funding multiple grassroots areas, including women football <hides behind sofa>. If i thought anyone would read it, I'd dig out the link I posted the last time everyone accused the FAW of using the money to buy champagne etc. 4. The FAW and WFT are not-for-profit organisations and are audited as such. 5. The T2 criteria isn't just about ground facilities. Again, I'd post the link if I thought anyone would read it. In my opinion, if there is no drive to improve facilities AND INFRASTRUCTURE below the WPL then we'll never have enough clubs to populate a potential 16-club WPL and a strong and healthy tier 2 to feed it. If clubs aren't interested they will actually find they're fortunate enough to have an alternative: just spend their money on players and play in tier 3. That is sort of what they're doing now anyway... The current FAW strategy is sensible I believe, more so when you consider the amount of notice clubs have received, the amount of grant money available each year to clubs below the WPL, and the fact that the deadline has been moved multiple times. |
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Post by Browny82 on Feb 16, 2018 13:16:07 GMT 1
I would imagine that 95% of the WL and beyond have applied for grant monies in some way, shape or form over the last 2 years Nicky. It certainly isn't a lack of ambition from clubs. Having read the documentation send out prior to the grants being assessed and projects chosen, there were definitive pots of money for each tier of Welsh Football.
Mr Crows in reference to point 1, who is on the assessment team/committee? Is it WL officials who have knowledge of the clubs? The grants "appear" to have been chosen to show support to clubs who are aiming for promotion (in WL, Caldicot and Trefelin) The only exception? Ely Rangers, who are near the foot of the Div 3 table. Why were Ely chosen over any of the other top 5 in Div 3 or in Div 2 clubs? This isn’t dig at Ely, so please don’t think it is. It’s merely an observation. Ely have a great setup, so how is the priority of applications assessed?
Also The feedback of “work not a priority” seems to be a common reason as to why a lot of the applications were declined. Who deems the priority of work against the given scope for eligible works at the grounds? Is this in the documentation you referenced in point 5 Mr Crows?
Lets be honest here, WPL have made it very clear they are not interested in a 16 team division, voting against it previously, and if there was a clear,transparent process in improving grounds we wouldn't be here discussing this. There are a lot of questions that need answering, over the WGI process and the tiers. I'm all for improvements to make the game/standards better, BUT it needs to be a fair system though, which it clearly isn't.
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